Venue By the bands for the bands!!!

[Barron]

My plan as of right now is to tryt and get somewhat of a following on this webpage, to try and get ppl together, i guess you could say unite. I`m not saying its gonna work but, i`m trying. I would like to eventually try and get some sort of venue, that would be part of this webpage. i was already looking into a building, and i know it was zoned for it, cuz it was b4 something similar. but as of right now i just wanna see where this goes. Anyone else who is trying to do something i give them credit, cuz they are trying.

And thats my 2 cents

ps i can swear:shit fuck pee pee poo poo ass

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[SuPeRmAnMiKe]

Hey man who says they are doing all the legwork? Myself and the fallout team will be doing all the legwork such as advertising setting up the P.A. system etc. I plan on running it almost like a bar but without the bar. Most bars have one band every time they have live entertainment and its that bands decision if they want more than one band, and what other bands will play. And sorry to rain on your parade but 40 - 50% is a good deal considering most bars would only give 10 -15% of there earnings and I will be doing most of the work all they will have to do is show up and play and if they want to do any extra advertising then that is good too.

See if I charge $300/night to rent the place chances are people just wont anymore most bands can't afford to put that kind of money upfront. So how about when I open it I offer two packages one isyou pay $300/night to play and do all the work and charge whatever you want at the door, and the other package is you pay nothing and make 40-50% of the door, and I do all the legwork.... now what would be your choice?

And to Steve Destruct just so you know punk rock, and hardcore music has become just as mainstream as any rock music if not more as of late. Granted My band is a Hard Rock band, but we definetly aren't the top 40's kind of rock band sorry to burst your bubble, we just happened to find a sound liked it and we play it. Most of our songs we make are just like hey that sounds good together lets make it a song.

As far as Tyson being smarter than me maybe he is maybe he isn't but guess what you don't know me so don't assume anything. I have worked hard for this I have done my research and I understand punk/hardcore takes up most of the community but we play with punk bands, emo bands, and screamo bands all the time and no one seems to have that big of a problem with us unless they are 13 years old and think its cool to follow what they think everyone else things but really its just 1 or 2 people on a message board trying to talk for the entire scene. I have the support of alot of punk bands, emo, and screamo, as well as rock bands, so don't tell me we don't have the support of the scene because the percentage of the scene thinks its a good idea unless they listen to you who points out everything bad that could happen butprobably wont, instead of all the good things that can come out of this.

Punk = Mainstream
Rock = Mainstream
Hardcore = Mainstream
Emo = Mainstream
Screamo = Mainstream

Everything Together = A strong community of music lovers trying to make a scene stronger.

We can't do it alone, we need your help!

www.thefalloutroom.tk

[SteveDestruct]

Listen there dude, I wasn't trying to start any "online war", but the fact is to me, and whole lot of other people who haven't really commented, like you don't know much.

Your intentions are good and I can see that, and I'm not busting your balls that way.

BUT. Just from that last post it's clear you either a) just really don't know too much, or b) haven't been in a band long enough or set up enough shows by yourself at various venues to really know what is up and down.

I would say before you try and do something like this, spend a year with your band gigging in different settings, learn all there is to know(or at least most of it), then give it a shot.

"And sorry to rain on your parade but 40 - 50% is a good deal considering most bars would only give 10 -15% of there earnings and I will be doing most of the work all they will have to do is show up and play and if they want to do any extra advertising then that is good too."

Not true. Certain bars yes, will give you say 10-15% of the bar. But a lot of bars that do that also give you the option of charging door money. Diesel used to either give us all the door money(which amounted to some pretty sweet wads of dough at times), or if it was a short notice show, would give us a percentage of the bar, which there was pretty good too. PLUS just about ever bar you'll play will give you at least some free liqour. And as well, bars have better sound. More then anything, that's my major reason for playing them. Booze is fun, bars are fun, but sound is where it's at, and bars can afford good equipment. Sorry, I've never been to a show at the gino or any other hall that's sounded a tenth as good as Diesel did, or even half as good as the Coach does. If you are focusing on your band, THAT is important. It doesn't matter if you play to 20 people in a bar, or 200 kids at a hall, if you sound great in the bar, you may have 20 new fans, if you sound like asshole at at hall, you'll have 0 new fans. That's my main thing. Sound. I know that's not the main concern in punk/hardcore, but when I see a band, I want them to sound good. That's just something that's important to me.

Now, the whole legwork thing, that's very admirable of you to do that, and possibly a good idea, if you can get enough people to do it for free. I don't know tons of people that are gonna do shitty work like flyering all the time for free. It's a pain in the ass when I have to do it, and i sure as fuck woudlnt' do it for someone elses band for free.

The 2 package thing, good idea. Only drawback, your band will suffer. Trust me, you will get tired of doing all this shit for other bands. When it comes to your band, you are gonna be tired, and just not wanna do it.

"And to Steve Destruct just so you know punk rock, and hardcore music has become just as mainstream as any rock music if not more as of late."

Come on, that's BULLSHIT and you know it!!! Good Charlotte is mainstream, Total Chaos is not. Certain offshoots of hardcore may be getting more mainstream, but is Madball and Agnostic Front mainstream, no. So don't try to hand that bullshit to anyone. And dude, I'm sorry, I stand by what I said, for the mostpart, anyone in hardcore bands that have been around a little while aren't gonna play with you, or at you're place, cause you are mainstream, they are not, and that's what they are against, PERIOD.

"Everything Together = A strong community of music lovers trying to make a scene stronger."

That's nice in theory and all, but you have to be a little less of an idealist, and more of a realist. They don't like you. They don't like your music, they dont' like what you stand for. Plain and simple. You can give your "everything is mainstream" crap all you want, but face it, there are tons of bands in this city(that I could name, but won't, cause I don't wanna put words in anyone's mouth) that will not step foot in your venue on principal alone. It sucks, but that's just the way it is you know?

Remember how on the old hardcore board everyone handed you your ass when you brought this up? The reason it's not happening again is cause most of them don't post here, or even read it. If they did, the same thing would be happening. Unless a bigger rock scene grows in this city(which is happening, but rock bands in general like stuff a little more professional then hardcore bands do), then you idea won't get off the ground, or will fall flat very soon after.

And hey, I'm just a guy who knows people from both scenes, who's played in some bands, who's buddies have been in bands, and I just know the climate. I'm just saying that something like this as big as you seem to want it, and as musically mixed as you want it, will not happen.

Like I suggested before, spend more time on your band before doing stuff, you'll learn a whole lot just by gigging at other places and with different bands and stuff. Do that for a while and then maybe you'll see where I'm coming from.

[*Lori*]

I was going to defend 519 Records and the whole bit but I think Tim (Spec32) said it all. I own a house, a car and I have a kid. I just can't always be dishing money out whenever I feel like it. We will release stuff when we have the time/money but do you see me going on and on about it every single day? No. You know why? Because I'm not going to hype something until it's ready. Until then, we just distro stuff and even that I don't have a ton of time for. Maybe I'll just move to my parent's basement...

By all means, you get a venue together, good for you. The problem is you expect everyone to be in awe of you. I think your "I am God obey me" says it all. Your ego is huge and you don't have shit to back it up. Write letters to the fucking Prime Minister for all I care. Go to fucking Harvard. But no one is going to give you one ounce of credit until you back up that ego of yours.

Also, you know why you have so many of these kids behind you? They either A) don't realize you've been going on about this for a year and nothing has come of it OR B) they have yet to be disappointed.

Try your best but keep things realistic.

[spec32]

the only people that think hardcore has become mainstream are the people that have nothing to do with the hardcore scene. i appreciate you staying out of the one of the few things i give a shit about in this world. please stick to your hatebreed - rise of brutality cds and taking back sunday shirts and the fuck away from shit that means something to some of us.

[SuPeRmAnMiKe]

Ok first off I don't have an ego infact if you ever talked to me in person you would know I am actually pretty relaxed and shy as well. Lori I even said it in my thing that I understand you have kids and a house, and car and I was just pointing out how you out of all people should know how hard it is to start something like this.

As far as me talking about this for a "year" well Really I havent I talked about one day wanting to open a venue about a year ago for maybe 2 weeks, and then gave it up because everyone was putting me down. So for about 11 months I stayed quiet.

Then about May this year I decided hey why listen to them, Windsor needs some sort of venue, gino is closed, and everywhere else is way too expensive. And I realized I had tried this by myself before and I knew it wouldn't work.

So I tried to get some support in which I have and the more people the better. Of course because I started it I will probably be the "leader" I guess if thats what you wanna call it for the most part but I am not in it to make any money Just to start up a venue. Once I have to start a real career I will pass the fallout on as the "leader" to whoever I see fit someone I know will keep it running smoothly or make it better.

Now yes I know there is bands out there but not as many as you think there is more bands who don't care that much anymore whether a band sounds mainstream or not maybe you hang out with alot who do but infact the percentage of bands in Windsor right now don't care and sound somewhat mainstream themselves, and I go to shows so don't try to tell me otherwise. If you are judging from The Vatican then obviously they hate mainstream sound.

My band doesnt sound mainstream, we only call ourselves hard rock because we don't know what else to call it all we know is its a heavier sound. And basically just so you know what does my band have anything to do with a venue, when I talk about this I usually leave my band way out of it. You are the only one who is bringing it up.

Now I don't know what else to tell you right now , I have nothing against any of you don't get me wrong I am just defending something I am working hard for.

Also so you know a show is in the process for either August or Sept. All day show at K of C. $10 minimum donation for your band to play it costs $500 for the day and most of the money will becoming out of my pocket but I cant do it all myself. 13 bands, 7 spots are left and going fast.

Bands playing right now:

Living In Eden
Dreams Destruction
Romance of War
Disposition
Save Yourself (ex - No Good Use)
Mourning Night

[josquared]

How does anyone survive out there... in this hate box of a forum?