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Post by god on Feb 9, 2008 21:15:50 GMT -5
the reason im calling you an idiot is because youre saying its not loud enough. but youve never used it?
youre an idiot because just because an amp says "100 watts" doesnt mean its 100 watts the same as another brand.
vox ac 30 - 30 watt amp could take a marshall jcm 900 - 100 watts. THATS why youre an idiot.
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Post by Spit On a Stranger on Feb 10, 2008 22:20:08 GMT -5
Dude the V4 is so nice sounding. You're making a mockery of yourself. Oh it "nice sounding" Well, in that case I'm going to buy 4 of them! Thanks for the advice!!!!!!!! Oh, so he was right about calling you an idiot
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Post by Tornadostruck on Feb 11, 2008 2:19:56 GMT -5
I have considered vintage gear, but its just not my thing. There's usually a lot of maintenance involved and theyre bloody expensive. I'd rather stick to something newer. Also, I'm looking locally and I highly doubt anybody in Windsor has a vintage SVT laying around that they want to get rid of. Best amp I ever played was an Ampeg SVT-VR. Its out of my price range though. Thanks guys SVT-VR is pretty sweet, but my beef with it is absence of gain knob. The ampeg svt classic is pretty cheap right now considering it being an all tube 300 watt head, I like the classic over the vr any day and I think the vr is more expensive. As for 100 watts of tube bass not being enough, you're playing the wrong amps then, or not toning them right. I sometimes use my 100 tube watt guitar power amp and turn it barely past half and it's plenty loud.
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Post by joecool on Feb 11, 2008 10:40:47 GMT -5
the reason im calling you an idiot is because youre saying its not loud enough. but youve never used it? youre an idiot because just because an amp says "100 watts" doesnt mean its 100 watts the same as another brand. vox ac 30 - 30 watt amp could take a marshall jcm 900 - 100 watts. THATS why youre an idiot. I've done enough research and spoken to many competent bass players to determine that 100 watts will NOT be enough for bass - especially when I am in a hard rock band that has 2 guitar players - one with a 150 watt Mesa Triple Rec 1/2 stack, the other with a Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 1/2 stack - and a heavy hitting drummer. I started this thread looking for a specific bass head in the area, then when I say "thanks I'm not interested", I have to deal with bullshit from people who think they know it all...fuck that. If I went out and purchased an amp based on the loose advice of an asshole FOTD affiliate such as yourself, then yes - I'd be a big idiot. Somebody close this thread...it just turned into a stupid argument, much like this entire forum.
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Post by god on Feb 11, 2008 23:16:47 GMT -5
for you to say i "know it all" would be almost correct. all i do is buy and sell gear. my guitar player used a 400 watt line 6 (shiiiiit) and i used 100 watts. i was louder. know why?
FREQUENCY YOU COCK.
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Post by Kevin on Feb 12, 2008 7:39:06 GMT -5
hes right, when i was in a band a while ago, i played through some amp that was 100watts(dont remember the make, might have been yorkville(pretty shitty), we had 2 guitarists, one with a behringer cab, the other with a line 6, both with much more wattage than my bass had, and i could hear myself fine while playing, and if i couldnt, i could easily turn myself up to overpower them. I dont know much about gear but shaun knows his shit when it comes to gear, nearly every thread about gear he gets involved and either buys or sells some shit actually knowing what it does.
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Post by lucmichaud on Feb 12, 2008 20:45:57 GMT -5
in practice we all use very different amps, i'm running a mesa simulclass (190 tube watts) with a rectifier preamp half stack, wilbs uses the svt classic with a 6*10 and joshy uses a 50 watt deville.
My volume is on 1 or less Josh is at 2 and a half Wilbs doesn't even dial half way.
Moral of the story, jamming is about the mix, not the volume. Save your ears, don't sacrifice tone for power. Headroom is a myth in the probability is that you will be micked in most gig scenarios when playing nowadays. Also, a lot of venues go direct with bass rigs (not always recommended) but the probability is that you would never actually need more than your 100 tube watts. My poweramp is unnecessarily powerful and i would definately like a smaller one so that i can crank my tubes a little harder.
People are just trying to give you a proper suggestion, if you don't want it that's cool, just advising you to not turn your amp search into a dick measuring competition and a need for power because you'll regret it everytime. Took me years to be happy with my guitar rig, i'm not quite there yet but i am definately close.
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Post by Robbie on Feb 18, 2008 0:05:42 GMT -5
haha, YES! luc just hit the nail on the head. I apologize in advance, cause i might get off-topic here...
A cool thing about vintage amps is they're straight to the point, and they dont have a thousand knobs and features. this truly gets you the fullest, most musical tone due to the lack of excessive electronics in the signal path. and there really isnt much that goes wrong with them, and its always a cheap fix.
loud music is fun, but your ears will never be able to pick out any kind of note definition when your volume is at 11. everything sounds like noise! not only that, but speakers normally top out the same anyways. if you cant hear your bass, tell your guitar players to turn down their bass knobs on their amps and youll cut though the mix at any volume. and oddly enough, it will even make the guitar stand out more at the same time, without drowning anything else out. each instrument needs it's own frequency, if everyone is sharing frequencies you get a shitty mess of mudd and overtones.
I have an orange tiny terror and a VOX AC50 Custom Classic plus, both being all tube heads, and the AC50 is maybe 10% louder, and this is comparing 15 watts to 50. Wattage is measured on a decibal scale, where the function creates a logarithmic curve. in other words, to double your volume (decibals), you have to change your wattage by ten times what it is. i.e. in a perfect world, a 100 watt amp would be twice as loud as a similarly built 10 watt amp. but this doesnt mean shit cause every amp is made different, and as shawn was sayin, frequency plays a huge role.
I remember jamming through an entire metal set, then turning around saying "oops, i accidentally had my amp set to 7 watts" (tiny terror). no other instrument in the room was putting out the specific mid to upper-mid frequncies that my guitar occupied, so I cut right though the mix despite my low volume.
I guess my main point would be: it doesnt matter what amp you buy, anything can sound loud adjusted properly. Spend some time bitching at your band, and just use gear that sounds good, and make sure it's got some tubes! dont buy something cause it's loud, buy it cause it sounds good for fuck's sake! windsor is probably the only place in the world that doesn't mic guitar amps!
this is not really directed at anyone in particular, I'm just a terrible writer..
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Post by Tornadostruck on Feb 18, 2008 1:13:22 GMT -5
the reason im calling you an idiot is because youre saying its not loud enough. but youve never used it? youre an idiot because just because an amp says "100 watts" doesnt mean its 100 watts the same as another brand. vox ac 30 - 30 watt amp could take a marshall jcm 900 - 100 watts. THATS why youre an idiot. I've done enough research and spoken to many competent bass players to determine that 100 watts will NOT be enough for bass - especially when I am in a hard rock band that has 2 guitar players - one with a 150 watt Mesa Triple Rec 1/2 stack, the other with a Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 1/2 stack - and a heavy hitting drummer. I started this thread looking for a specific bass head in the area, then when I say "thanks I'm not interested", I have to deal with bullshit from people who think they know it all...fuck that. If I went out and purchased an amp based on the loose advice of an asshole FOTD affiliate such as yourself, then yes - I'd be a big idiot. Somebody close this thread...it just turned into a stupid argument, much like this entire forum. Appologies for the advice... everyone here that replied knows exactly what they're talking about, have fun wasting your money
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